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	<title>Comments on: Warren Buffett on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac</title>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://streetcapitalist.com/2008/09/08/warren-buffett-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/comment-page-1/#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting Analogy from the NY SUN that doesn&#039;t make everything seem so cut and dry(saw this on bank stocks.com):

&quot;Imagine if the Bush administration, having decided that gasoline prices are too high, decided to nationalize ExxonMobil. The federal energy secretary held a Sunday press conference to announce that the Bush administration had replaced the company&#039;s management, that the company would henceforth be run with the goal of reducing gasoline prices for drivers, and that any profits the company made would be the property of the federal government, which would now control 80% of the company. As for the company&#039;s existing shareholders, they are out of luck — they won&#039;t get any more dividends; they won&#039;t even get a chance to vote on the deal. 

Substitute mortgage prices for gasoline prices and you get a pretty good sense of what the Bush administration and its secretary of the Treasury, Henry Paulson, did over the weekend in respect of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The administration decided that its interest in low mortgage rates as an artificial boost to housing prices was more important than the property rights of the shareholders of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. So without even so much as a shareholder vote, the companies were nationalized.&quot;

This does seems obviously unconstitutional, but since the formations of the GSE&#039;s is also constitutionally questionable I didn&#039;t bother bringing it up. Specifically the whole thing is questionable under the contracts clause:

&quot;No State shall [...] pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts[...]&quot;
and the Fifth amendment:

&quot;No person shall [... ]be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.&quot; 

I suppose we&#039;re I a GSE&#039;s stock holder I&#039;d be feeling pretty darn deprived and uncompensated right about now. (I&#039;m not. After having an entire bank robbed out from under me--INDYMAC, Thanks Mr. Schumer-- I don&#039;t want anything to do with a stock with even a whiff of Government on it. )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting Analogy from the NY SUN that doesn&#8217;t make everything seem so cut and dry(saw this on bank stocks.com):</p>
<p>&#8220;Imagine if the Bush administration, having decided that gasoline prices are too high, decided to nationalize ExxonMobil. The federal energy secretary held a Sunday press conference to announce that the Bush administration had replaced the company&#8217;s management, that the company would henceforth be run with the goal of reducing gasoline prices for drivers, and that any profits the company made would be the property of the federal government, which would now control 80% of the company. As for the company&#8217;s existing shareholders, they are out of luck — they won&#8217;t get any more dividends; they won&#8217;t even get a chance to vote on the deal. </p>
<p>Substitute mortgage prices for gasoline prices and you get a pretty good sense of what the Bush administration and its secretary of the Treasury, Henry Paulson, did over the weekend in respect of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The administration decided that its interest in low mortgage rates as an artificial boost to housing prices was more important than the property rights of the shareholders of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. So without even so much as a shareholder vote, the companies were nationalized.&#8221;</p>
<p>This does seems obviously unconstitutional, but since the formations of the GSE&#8217;s is also constitutionally questionable I didn&#8217;t bother bringing it up. Specifically the whole thing is questionable under the contracts clause:</p>
<p>&#8220;No State shall [...] pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts[...]&#8221;<br />
and the Fifth amendment:</p>
<p>&#8220;No person shall [... ]be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.&#8221; </p>
<p>I suppose we&#8217;re I a GSE&#8217;s stock holder I&#8217;d be feeling pretty darn deprived and uncompensated right about now. (I&#8217;m not. After having an entire bank robbed out from under me&#8211;INDYMAC, Thanks Mr. Schumer&#8211; I don&#8217;t want anything to do with a stock with even a whiff of Government on it. )</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://streetcapitalist.com/2008/09/08/warren-buffett-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/comment-page-1/#comment-5696</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting Analogy from the NY SUN that doesn&#039;t make everything seem so cut and dry(saw this on bank stocks.com):

&quot;Imagine if the Bush administration, having decided that gasoline prices are too high, decided to nationalize ExxonMobil. The federal energy secretary held a Sunday press conference to announce that the Bush administration had replaced the company&#039;s management, that the company would henceforth be run with the goal of reducing gasoline prices for drivers, and that any profits the company made would be the property of the federal government, which would now control 80% of the company. As for the company&#039;s existing shareholders, they are out of luck — they won&#039;t get any more dividends; they won&#039;t even get a chance to vote on the deal. 

Substitute mortgage prices for gasoline prices and you get a pretty good sense of what the Bush administration and its secretary of the Treasury, Henry Paulson, did over the weekend in respect of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The administration decided that its interest in low mortgage rates as an artificial boost to housing prices was more important than the property rights of the shareholders of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. So without even so much as a shareholder vote, the companies were nationalized.&quot;

This does seems obviously unconstitutional, but since the formations of the GSE&#039;s is also constitutionally questionable I didn&#039;t bother bringing it up. Specifically the whole thing is questionable under the contracts clause:

&quot;No State shall [...] pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts[...]&quot;
and the Fifth amendment:

&quot;No person shall [... ]be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.&quot; 

I suppose we&#039;re I a GSE&#039;s stock holder I&#039;d be feeling pretty darn deprived and uncompensated right about now. (I&#039;m not. After having an entire bank robbed out from under me--INDYMAC, Thanks Mr. Schumer-- I don&#039;t want anything to do with a stock with even a whiff of Government on it. )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting Analogy from the NY SUN that doesn&#8217;t make everything seem so cut and dry(saw this on bank stocks.com):</p>
<p>&#8220;Imagine if the Bush administration, having decided that gasoline prices are too high, decided to nationalize ExxonMobil. The federal energy secretary held a Sunday press conference to announce that the Bush administration had replaced the company&#8217;s management, that the company would henceforth be run with the goal of reducing gasoline prices for drivers, and that any profits the company made would be the property of the federal government, which would now control 80% of the company. As for the company&#8217;s existing shareholders, they are out of luck — they won&#8217;t get any more dividends; they won&#8217;t even get a chance to vote on the deal. </p>
<p>Substitute mortgage prices for gasoline prices and you get a pretty good sense of what the Bush administration and its secretary of the Treasury, Henry Paulson, did over the weekend in respect of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The administration decided that its interest in low mortgage rates as an artificial boost to housing prices was more important than the property rights of the shareholders of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. So without even so much as a shareholder vote, the companies were nationalized.&#8221;</p>
<p>This does seems obviously unconstitutional, but since the formations of the GSE&#8217;s is also constitutionally questionable I didn&#8217;t bother bringing it up. Specifically the whole thing is questionable under the contracts clause:</p>
<p>&#8220;No State shall [...] pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts[...]&#8221;<br />
and the Fifth amendment:</p>
<p>&#8220;No person shall [... ]be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.&#8221; </p>
<p>I suppose we&#8217;re I a GSE&#8217;s stock holder I&#8217;d be feeling pretty darn deprived and uncompensated right about now. (I&#8217;m not. After having an entire bank robbed out from under me&#8211;INDYMAC, Thanks Mr. Schumer&#8211; I don&#8217;t want anything to do with a stock with even a whiff of Government on it. )</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://streetcapitalist.com/2008/09/08/warren-buffett-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/comment-page-1/#comment-1047</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah. I see you point. I suppose I agree. I have a position in PRS, which likely insures GSE debt. I think this is going to work out in my favor from that angle, though even that seems to be up in the air. Though I have to admit to not knowing enough to say which would be better in the long run. I just hate to see free markets blamed for what is clearly a government induced problem. &quot;It’s going to be up to politicians now to make sure the entities are scaled back, and that’s the scary part. I think Barney Frank was balking at that.&quot; Good point! I didn&#039;t think of that, and your right its terrifying. Since the GSE&#039;s won&#039;t be wound up any time soon, it will be the next administration who will decide what actually happens to them. With regulators in control, under the president one could imagine them used for all kinds of mischief without even bothering to consult congress. One that&#039;s not even a stretch is zero interest loans for the poor for instance. But they could also expand into other lines of &quot;business&quot; . Health insurance for instance? This bares careful watching.

By the way you have a great blog here. I check in everyday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah. I see you point. I suppose I agree. I have a position in PRS, which likely insures GSE debt. I think this is going to work out in my favor from that angle, though even that seems to be up in the air. Though I have to admit to not knowing enough to say which would be better in the long run. I just hate to see free markets blamed for what is clearly a government induced problem. &#8220;It’s going to be up to politicians now to make sure the entities are scaled back, and that’s the scary part. I think Barney Frank was balking at that.&#8221; Good point! I didn&#8217;t think of that, and your right its terrifying. Since the GSE&#8217;s won&#8217;t be wound up any time soon, it will be the next administration who will decide what actually happens to them. With regulators in control, under the president one could imagine them used for all kinds of mischief without even bothering to consult congress. One that&#8217;s not even a stretch is zero interest loans for the poor for instance. But they could also expand into other lines of &#8220;business&#8221; . Health insurance for instance? This bares careful watching.</p>
<p>By the way you have a great blog here. I check in everyday.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://streetcapitalist.com/2008/09/08/warren-buffett-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/comment-page-1/#comment-5695</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah. I see you point. I suppose I agree. I have a position in PRS, which likely insures GSE debt. I think this is going to work out in my favor from that angle, though even that seems to be up in the air. Though I have to admit to not knowing enough to say which would be better in the long run. I just hate to see free markets blamed for what is clearly a government induced problem. &quot;It’s going to be up to politicians now to make sure the entities are scaled back, and that’s the scary part. I think Barney Frank was balking at that.&quot; Good point! I didn&#039;t think of that, and your right its terrifying. Since the GSE&#039;s won&#039;t be wound up any time soon, it will be the next administration who will decide what actually happens to them. With regulators in control, under the president one could imagine them used for all kinds of mischief without even bothering to consult congress. One that&#039;s not even a stretch is zero interest loans for the poor for instance. But they could also expand into other lines of &quot;business&quot; . Health insurance for instance? This bares careful watching.

By the way you have a great blog here. I check in everyday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah. I see you point. I suppose I agree. I have a position in PRS, which likely insures GSE debt. I think this is going to work out in my favor from that angle, though even that seems to be up in the air. Though I have to admit to not knowing enough to say which would be better in the long run. I just hate to see free markets blamed for what is clearly a government induced problem. &#8220;It’s going to be up to politicians now to make sure the entities are scaled back, and that’s the scary part. I think Barney Frank was balking at that.&#8221; Good point! I didn&#8217;t think of that, and your right its terrifying. Since the GSE&#8217;s won&#8217;t be wound up any time soon, it will be the next administration who will decide what actually happens to them. With regulators in control, under the president one could imagine them used for all kinds of mischief without even bothering to consult congress. One that&#8217;s not even a stretch is zero interest loans for the poor for instance. But they could also expand into other lines of &#8220;business&#8221; . Health insurance for instance? This bares careful watching.</p>
<p>By the way you have a great blog here. I check in everyday.</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq</title>
		<link>http://streetcapitalist.com/2008/09/08/warren-buffett-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/comment-page-1/#comment-1046</link>
		<dc:creator>Tariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis, I agree - a lot of this stems from their inception as a mixed entity and that&#039;s always dangerous. What I don&#039;t agree with is people like Jim Rogers coming on and saying we should have just let them default. It was a lose lose proposition either way but the course of action taken is probably the lesser of the two evils.

It&#039;s going to be up to politicians now to make sure the entities are scaled back, and that&#039;s the scary part. I think Barney Frank was balking at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis, I agree &#8211; a lot of this stems from their inception as a mixed entity and that&#8217;s always dangerous. What I don&#8217;t agree with is people like Jim Rogers coming on and saying we should have just let them default. It was a lose lose proposition either way but the course of action taken is probably the lesser of the two evils.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to be up to politicians now to make sure the entities are scaled back, and that&#8217;s the scary part. I think Barney Frank was balking at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq</title>
		<link>http://streetcapitalist.com/2008/09/08/warren-buffett-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/comment-page-1/#comment-5694</link>
		<dc:creator>Tariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis, I agree - a lot of this stems from their inception as a mixed entity and that&#039;s always dangerous. What I don&#039;t agree with is people like Jim Rogers coming on and saying we should have just let them default. It was a lose lose proposition either way but the course of action taken is probably the lesser of the two evils.

It&#039;s going to be up to politicians now to make sure the entities are scaled back, and that&#039;s the scary part. I think Barney Frank was balking at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis, I agree &#8211; a lot of this stems from their inception as a mixed entity and that&#8217;s always dangerous. What I don&#8217;t agree with is people like Jim Rogers coming on and saying we should have just let them default. It was a lose lose proposition either way but the course of action taken is probably the lesser of the two evils.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to be up to politicians now to make sure the entities are scaled back, and that&#8217;s the scary part. I think Barney Frank was balking at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://streetcapitalist.com/2008/09/08/warren-buffett-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/comment-page-1/#comment-1044</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Right now a lot of libertarian or proponents of completely free markets are denouncing the plan and comparing it to communism. The characterizations may be fair, and this may be bad for moral hazard - but what other choice did they have? It’s great in theory, but that kind of action just does not play in the real world when the consequences fall on the public.&quot;

I couldn&#039;t disagree more. This government take over was bound to happen when the government first created the GSE&#039;s. If the GSE&#039;s had never been created, this risk would be spread over many more companies, and our whole economy would not be ready to topple at the fall a a couple a mortgage lenders. I think this is an I told you so moment for Capitalists. Mixed economies don&#039;t work, they only slide towards full government control and that&#039;s what we are seeing. The government creates a mess by interfering with the market. They then, under the guise of saving the day, claim even more power. Which of course causes another mess, which allows them to claim more power, and on and on we go. Looking back over history its a dominant theme in the development of our country. Personally, on the scale of things, I consider this a win, since I understand they are being forced to drastically shrink their portfolios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Right now a lot of libertarian or proponents of completely free markets are denouncing the plan and comparing it to communism. The characterizations may be fair, and this may be bad for moral hazard &#8211; but what other choice did they have? It’s great in theory, but that kind of action just does not play in the real world when the consequences fall on the public.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t disagree more. This government take over was bound to happen when the government first created the GSE&#8217;s. If the GSE&#8217;s had never been created, this risk would be spread over many more companies, and our whole economy would not be ready to topple at the fall a a couple a mortgage lenders. I think this is an I told you so moment for Capitalists. Mixed economies don&#8217;t work, they only slide towards full government control and that&#8217;s what we are seeing. The government creates a mess by interfering with the market. They then, under the guise of saving the day, claim even more power. Which of course causes another mess, which allows them to claim more power, and on and on we go. Looking back over history its a dominant theme in the development of our country. Personally, on the scale of things, I consider this a win, since I understand they are being forced to drastically shrink their portfolios.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://streetcapitalist.com/2008/09/08/warren-buffett-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/comment-page-1/#comment-5693</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Right now a lot of libertarian or proponents of completely free markets are denouncing the plan and comparing it to communism. The characterizations may be fair, and this may be bad for moral hazard - but what other choice did they have? It’s great in theory, but that kind of action just does not play in the real world when the consequences fall on the public.&quot;

I couldn&#039;t disagree more. This government take over was bound to happen when the government first created the GSE&#039;s. If the GSE&#039;s had never been created, this risk would be spread over many more companies, and our whole economy would not be ready to topple at the fall a a couple a mortgage lenders. I think this is an I told you so moment for Capitalists. Mixed economies don&#039;t work, they only slide towards full government control and that&#039;s what we are seeing. The government creates a mess by interfering with the market. They then, under the guise of saving the day, claim even more power. Which of course causes another mess, which allows them to claim more power, and on and on we go. Looking back over history its a dominant theme in the development of our country. Personally, on the scale of things, I consider this a win, since I understand they are being forced to drastically shrink their portfolios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Right now a lot of libertarian or proponents of completely free markets are denouncing the plan and comparing it to communism. The characterizations may be fair, and this may be bad for moral hazard &#8211; but what other choice did they have? It’s great in theory, but that kind of action just does not play in the real world when the consequences fall on the public.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t disagree more. This government take over was bound to happen when the government first created the GSE&#8217;s. If the GSE&#8217;s had never been created, this risk would be spread over many more companies, and our whole economy would not be ready to topple at the fall a a couple a mortgage lenders. I think this is an I told you so moment for Capitalists. Mixed economies don&#8217;t work, they only slide towards full government control and that&#8217;s what we are seeing. The government creates a mess by interfering with the market. They then, under the guise of saving the day, claim even more power. Which of course causes another mess, which allows them to claim more power, and on and on we go. Looking back over history its a dominant theme in the development of our country. Personally, on the scale of things, I consider this a win, since I understand they are being forced to drastically shrink their portfolios.</p>
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